V: So in vedanta, shruti is teaching there is both maya as well as brahman or consciousness.
Matter and conciousness are both beginingless cause.
Matter is what you experience as objects and thoughts. We say thought is also matter only, it is subtle matter and it appears as a conscious thought, due to reflected consciousness only.
So this subtle matter such as thoughts, and gross matter , is all evolutes from the causal matter, which is what we call as maya or prakrti, the material cause of the universe, which evolves into the universe.
However, we never say that this maya or prakrti exists and evolves independently. We say it gains its existence, as well as is able to evolve onto the manifest universe, or basically come out from its unmanifest to manifest state, only due to the presence of consciousness.
This conscsiousness , alongwith the material shakti, or maya shakti, or prakrti, together we call as ishvara, the conscious being who is the cause for the universe manifestation and resolution.
P: But where do I, come into the picture then? you were saying consciousness is myself. Now you say consciousness is ishvara. Then there is your consciousness, consciousness in other living beings.
So doesnt that mean that, there being so many consciousnesses, means that cosnciousness cannot be causeless? Cannot be an uncaused cause.
V: No, we say there is only one consciousness. And the same consciousness based on the material it is manifesting in, appears as different roles. behind the body minds, it is the knower or experiencer.
Behind the total causal matter, maya, same consciousness is ishvara.
P: So you are saying the consciuousness is what creates this meaningful, intelligent manifestation of matter, and that is why I am able to see a link between past present and future, as well as between events. As well as the whole paradigm of cause and effect?
V: Yes, consciousness together with maya or prakrti.
P: And same cosnsciousness also appears behind its individual body mind as the knower or experiencer.
V: Correct.
P: So that is what you are saying is my experience of continuity, Because I am the one who is continous and changeless one.
V: Accurate understanding .
P: I am starting to understand a bit of vedanta. But I still have many questions on how it relates to modern physics and its findinds.
V: Let us discuss that further....
To be Contd..........
Matter and conciousness are both beginingless cause.
Matter is what you experience as objects and thoughts. We say thought is also matter only, it is subtle matter and it appears as a conscious thought, due to reflected consciousness only.
So this subtle matter such as thoughts, and gross matter , is all evolutes from the causal matter, which is what we call as maya or prakrti, the material cause of the universe, which evolves into the universe.
However, we never say that this maya or prakrti exists and evolves independently. We say it gains its existence, as well as is able to evolve onto the manifest universe, or basically come out from its unmanifest to manifest state, only due to the presence of consciousness.
This conscsiousness , alongwith the material shakti, or maya shakti, or prakrti, together we call as ishvara, the conscious being who is the cause for the universe manifestation and resolution.
P: But where do I, come into the picture then? you were saying consciousness is myself. Now you say consciousness is ishvara. Then there is your consciousness, consciousness in other living beings.
So doesnt that mean that, there being so many consciousnesses, means that cosnciousness cannot be causeless? Cannot be an uncaused cause.
V: No, we say there is only one consciousness. And the same consciousness based on the material it is manifesting in, appears as different roles. behind the body minds, it is the knower or experiencer.
Behind the total causal matter, maya, same consciousness is ishvara.
P: So you are saying the consciuousness is what creates this meaningful, intelligent manifestation of matter, and that is why I am able to see a link between past present and future, as well as between events. As well as the whole paradigm of cause and effect?
V: Yes, consciousness together with maya or prakrti.
P: And same cosnsciousness also appears behind its individual body mind as the knower or experiencer.
V: Correct.
P: So that is what you are saying is my experience of continuity, Because I am the one who is continous and changeless one.
V: Accurate understanding .
P: I am starting to understand a bit of vedanta. But I still have many questions on how it relates to modern physics and its findinds.
V: Let us discuss that further....
To be Contd..........
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